Legislature(2015 - 2016)BARNES 124

03/25/2015 01:00 PM House RESOURCES

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01:01:05 PM Start
01:03:08 PM HB100
01:20:24 PM HB128
01:31:57 PM Confirmation Hearing(s): Board of Game
02:24:20 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+= HB 100 UREA/AMMONIA FACILITY TAX CREDIT TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 100(RES) Out of Committee
-- Invited/Public Testimony --
+ HB 128 ALASKA WILD SALMON DAY TELECONFERENCED
Moved HB 128 Out of Committee
-- Invited/Public Testimony --
+ Confirmation Hearing: TELECONFERENCED
Board of Game
-- Invited/Public Testimony --
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
            HB 100-UREA/AMMONIA FACILITY TAX CREDIT                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:03:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR NAGEAK  announced that  the first  order of  business is                                                               
HOUSE BILL  NO. 100,  "An Act establishing  a credit  against the                                                               
net  income   tax  for  an  in-state   processing  facility  that                                                               
manufactures  urea or  ammonia;  and providing  for an  effective                                                               
date."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:03:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON moved  to adopt  Amendment 1,  labeled 29-                                                               
LS0423\H.3, Nauman, 3/18/15, which read:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 10, following "delivered":                                                                                    
          Insert "in the taxable year of the taxpayer"                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 13, following "zero.":                                                                                        
          Insert "An unused tax credit or portion of a tax                                                                      
     credit received under this section may not be carried                                                                      
       forward for use in a taxable year of the taxpayer                                                                        
     after the taxable year in which the credit is earned."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TALERICO objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:04:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON explained  Amendment 1  would ensure  that                                                               
the credits  are available for that  year in that if  the royalty                                                               
credits are  greater than the  corporate tax credit it  cannot be                                                               
carried on  for future  years.   He explained  this is  a 10-year                                                               
program  that  is  available  and those  credits  each  year  are                                                               
available, but must be used in that year.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TALERICO removed his objection.   There being no further                                                               
objection, Amendment 1 passed.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:05:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON moved  to adopt  Amendment 2,  labeled 29-                                                               
LS0423\H.6, Nauman, 3/24/15, which read:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 10, following "to":                                                                                           
          Insert "the in-state processing facility owned                                                                        
     by"                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:06:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  indicated   that  Amendment  2  clarifies                                                               
language and asked the sponsor to address the amendment.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DONALD BULLOCK,  House Majority Staff, Alaska  State Legislature,                                                               
explained that  the purpose of  Amendment 2  is in response  to a                                                               
concern  expressed by  the Department  of Revenue  to narrow  the                                                               
credit  to the  gas delivered  to a  taxpayer for  the processing                                                               
into urea of  ammonia.  He offered the scenario  that an owner of                                                               
a plant bought  gas to heat another facility and  they bought the                                                               
gas to  be used in the  processing plant, only the  gas delivered                                                               
to the processing plant owned  by that taxpayer would be eligible                                                               
to generate the credit.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:07:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHNSON removed  his objection.   There  being no                                                               
further objection, Amendment 2 passed.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:08:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON moved  to adopt  Amendment 3,  labeled 29-                                                               
LS0423\H.7, Nauman, 3/24/15, which read:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 2, following "ammonia;":                                                                                    
          Insert "relating to establishing the value of the                                                                   
     state's  royalty  share  of  gas  production  based  on                                                                  
     contracts with  certain in-state  processing facilities                                                                  
     that manufacture urea or ammonia;"                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, following line 3:                                                                                                  
     Insert a new bill section to read:                                                                                         
        "* Section  1. AS 38.05.180 is  amended by  adding a                                                                
     new subsection to read:                                                                                                    
          (ll)  For a contract that is entered into on or                                                                       
     after the effective date of  this subsection, within 90                                                                    
     days after the  written request of a lessee  of a lease                                                                    
     issued under  this section, in  order to  establish the                                                                    
     value of  the state's  royalty share of  gas production                                                                    
     sold   by   the   lessee  under   the   contract,   the                                                                    
     commissioner  may  enter  into an  agreement  with  the                                                                    
     lessee  to use  or accept  as a  price for  the gas  an                                                                    
     amount that is  not less than the  price established in                                                                    
     the  contract  between  the   lessee  and  an  in-state                                                                    
     processing  facility  whose  primary  function  is  the                                                                    
     manufacturing  and sale  of urea  or  ammonia to  third                                                                    
     parties  in arm's  length transactions,  not to  exceed                                                                    
     the  amount  that  would otherwise  be  due  under  the                                                                    
     lease.  The commissioner  may enter  into an  agreement                                                                    
     under this subsection if                                                                                                   
               (1)  the commissioner makes a written                                                                            
     finding that                                                                                                               
               (A)  it is in the best interest of the                                                                           
     state; and                                                                                                                 
               (B)  based on clear and convincing evidence,                                                                     
     the contract price is not unreasonably low; and                                                                            
               (2)  the primary function of the in-state                                                                        
     processing facility  is to engage in  the production of                                                                    
     urea  or  ammonia,  and  the   owner  of  the  in-state                                                                    
     processing facility  with which the lessee  has entered                                                                    
     into the contract is not  affiliated with the lessee or                                                                    
     with a subsequent purchaser of  more than 10 percent of                                                                    
     the  urea or  ammonia  produced; for  purposes of  this                                                                    
     paragraph, the  parties to a  contract or  purchase are                                                                    
     affiliated  if, in  the judgment  of the  commissioner,                                                                    
     one  of  the  parties   to  the  contract  or  purchase                                                                    
     exercises substantial  influence over the  policies and                                                                    
     actions  of  the  other as  evidenced  by  relationship                                                                    
     based  on common  ownership or  family  interest or  by                                                                    
     action taken in concert  without regard to whether that                                                                    
     influence  is  based  on  stockholdings,  stockholders,                                                                    
     officers, or directors."                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 4:                                                                                                            
          Delete "Section 1"                                                                                                  
          Insert "Sec. 2"                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, following line 13:                                                                                                 
     Insert a new subsection to read:                                                                                           
          "(c) To claim a credit under this section, the                                                                        
     taxpayer  shall report  to the  department the  name of                                                                    
     each  lessee delivering  natural  gas  to the  in-state                                                                    
     processing  facility, the  identification and  quantity                                                                    
     of  natural  gas from  each  state  lease that  is  the                                                                    
     source  of  the natural  gas,  and  the price  for  the                                                                    
     natural  gas  established  in a  contract  between  the                                                                    
     owner  of  the  in-state processing  facility  and  the                                                                    
     lessee delivering the natural gas."                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, line 3:                                                                                                            
          Delete "sec. 1"                                                                                                       
          Insert "sec. 2"                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, line 6:                                                                                                            
          Delete "Sections 1 and 3"                                                                                             
          Insert "Sections 1, 2, and 4"                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, line 7:                                                                                                            
          Delete "Section 2"                                                                                                    
          Insert "Section 3"                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:08:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:08:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BULLOCK  described Amendment  3 as  an interesting  credit as                                                               
unlike  an  investment  tax  credit,   where  the  taxpayer  buys                                                               
something and they know what they  paid for it and can figure out                                                               
what the  credit is.  This  credit is based upon  the royalty due                                                               
on the leases that produce the  gas that the taxpayer will use in                                                               
the processing  plant.   He advised this  is similar  to existing                                                               
law in  the oil &  gas leasing  statute.  Currently,  the statute                                                               
addresses  gas that  is sold  and contracts  for sale  to certain                                                               
electric utilities,  and there is another  provision allowing the                                                               
contract to set the price  for agricultural chemicals.  Amendment                                                               
3, he noted,  parallels the existing language in  that the lessee                                                               
first  of  all negotiate  with  the  processing plant,  which  he                                                               
describes as an  arm's length transaction with the goal  to set a                                                               
reasonable market  price, or  a price  the state  would otherwise                                                               
use to  value the gas royalty  purposes.  By doing  this ahead of                                                               
time,  the lessee  selling  the gas  to  the processing  facility                                                               
submits the  contract to  the commissioner  of the  Department of                                                               
Natural Resources  (DNR).   The commission  then would  review it                                                               
and determine whether  it is a reasonable contract  with no games                                                               
being played, the parties aren't too  close, and with the goal to                                                               
get  it to  the price  that would  have resulted  if the  gas was                                                               
later audited for  royalty purposes.  He described it  as a check                                                               
in determining that it is a  legitimate price.  He explained that                                                               
by doing  it this way,  rather than  subjecting the royalty  to a                                                               
later  audit, the  taxpayer knows  what  the credits  will be  as                                                               
there is a contract price and  a percentage of the contract price                                                               
represents the  royalty.  The  taxpayer knows that  the producer,                                                               
the  lessee, has  some stability  in knowing  what their  royalty                                                               
will be on  that gas and the commissioner would  have reviewed it                                                               
and determined it is  the price that makes sense.    He opined it                                                               
is better than  the alternative to try and say  that the taxpayer                                                               
takes a credit and then down the  road, it turns out that the gas                                                               
wasn't worth as  much, or worth more.  He  opined that raises the                                                               
question  of, what  should be  done  with the  credits since  the                                                               
credit is based on the royalty,  and the royalty has changed.  He                                                               
commented  that Amendment  3, deals  with that  issue upfront  as                                                               
everyone know what  the credit is and the lessee  selling the gas                                                               
knows what their royalty is.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:11:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[The committee  treated the objection  as removed.]   There being                                                               
no further objection, Amendment 3 passed.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:12:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TALERICO  moved to report  HB 100,  labeled 29-LS0423\H,                                                               
as amended, out of committee  with individual recommendations and                                                               
the accompanying fiscal notes from committee.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:13:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON objected  for the  purpose of  discussion,                                                               
and  offered that  there is  discomfort with  credits across  the                                                               
industry.   He pointed  out that this  is fairly  small, targeted                                                               
specifically to the amount of  corporate income tax offset by gas                                                               
that would be purchased  for instate use.  He noted  it has a 10-                                                               
year window  and if not used  within 10-years, or any  portion of                                                               
that 10-years, it is not a  rolling 10-years so he is comfortable                                                               
that sideboards  are tight enough that  it would be a  benefit to                                                               
the  state  to get  the  additional  work  done  and add  to  the                                                               
benefits of  restarting an  industry.   He expressed  his general                                                               
feeling is  that broad tax  credits are  a problem to  the state,                                                               
and this bill is not as it  is based on actual profitability.  He                                                               
described the  bill as  a well-crafted tax  credit as  opposed to                                                               
those  that could  put  the state  at risk  as  being very  broad                                                               
based, based upon the amount of investment someone makes.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:15:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON  said he  fully associates  himself with                                                               
Representative   Seaton's   comments,   and  added   he   doesn't                                                               
understand why  the applicant says  they will spend  $275 million                                                               
and want just a few million  dollars of assistance in the form of                                                               
a credit.   He opined  the case made  is compelling and  will not                                                               
object to the bill leaving committee.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:15:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TARR   said  she   shares  in  the   comments  of                                                               
Representative  Josephson   and  appreciates  how  the   bill  is                                                               
targeted.    She  recalled  in   previous  budgets  there  was  a                                                               
consideration  of funds  to help  support the  plant when  it was                                                               
having difficult  times.  She  researched the issue, and  in 2007                                                               
the legislature  gave the plant  a $5 million capital  project to                                                               
help the company continue when  there was a natural gas shortage.                                                               
She opined that the investments  being made sound substantial and                                                               
other issues  have been resolved  so going forward  the committee                                                               
will not have  to consider some of the same  options again should                                                               
they find themselves  in trouble.  She said she  looks forward to                                                               
a number  of jobs and the  $275 million of investment  in Alaska.                                                               
She expressed her  hope that the legislature plans  better in the                                                               
future  for potential  gas shortages  and it  won't have  to come                                                               
back on this issue.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:17:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON removed  his  objection.   There being  no                                                               
further   objection,  HB   100,  as   amended,  with   individual                                                               
recommendations and  the accompanying  fiscal notes  was reported                                                               
from the House Resources Standing Committee.                                                                                    

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
3.25.15 HRES HB 100 - Agrium LOS.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
3.25.15 HRES HB 100 - R Warthen LOS.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
HB 100 HRES Homer Electric Company LOS.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
HB 100 HRES LOS - M Stynsberg.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
3.11.15 HRES HB 100 Agrium US - Answer to Committee.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
3.25.15 HRES HB 100 AK Garden & Pet Supply Inc LOS.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
3.25.15 HRES HB 128 - ASMI LOS.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 128
3.25.15 HRES HB 128 Fiscal Note #1.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 128
3.25.15 HRES HB 128 Legislation--Version W.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 128
3.25.15 HRES HB 128 Alaska Wild Salmon Day Sponsor Statement.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 128
3.25.15 HB 128 AK Trollers Association LOS.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 128
3.25.15 HRES HB100 - Lynden Transport LOS.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
3.25.15 HRES HB 100 - Heat & Frost Insulation Inc LOS.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
3.25.15 HRES HB 100 - AgriumStudy 11_4.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
3.25.15 HRES HB 100 - Sponsor Statement.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
3.25.15 HRES HB 100 - McDowell Group Agrium Econ Impact Final Report 5 22 13.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
3.25.15 HRES HB 100 - AK Corp Net Income Tax return forms 6000 and 6300.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
3.25.15 HRES HB 100 - White Paper - How the credit works.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
3.25.15 HRES HB 100 - AS 38 05 135.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
3.25.15 HRES HB 100 - McDowell Group Study 1_28_2015.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
3.25.15 HRES HB 100 version H.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
3.25.15 HB 100 Fiscal Note.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
3.25.15 HRES HB 100 Amendment H.3.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
3.25.15 HRES HB 100 Amendment H.6.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
3.25.15 HRES HB 100 - J R Meyers Opposition.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
3.25.15 HRES HB 128 - UFA Alaska Wild Salmon Day SUPPORT.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 128
3.25.15 HRES Board of Game - F Neumann Testimony.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
3.25.15 HRES HB 100 Univar K Lambertsen.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
3.25.15 HRES HB 100 - Arctic Wire Rope and Supply LOS.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
3.25.15 HRES HB 100 Udelhoven LOS.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
3.25.15 HRES HB 100 - Dowland-Bach Corp. LOS.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100